Summary

Steven and Brent Hartinger discussed their personal lives, writing careers, and the challenges they faced in the publishing industry. They also explored the impact of ebooks on accessibility, the relevance of books in today's world, and the evolution of their blog. The conversation concluded with a discussion on the unpredictability of success in the arts and the importance of supporting each other in their respective careers.

Brent's Digital Nomad Lifestyle Discussed

In the meeting, Steven and Brent Hartinger engaged in a conversation about Brent's life as a digital nomad. Brent shared that he and his partner have been traveling continuously for about 8 years, living in over 30 different countries. They prefer to stay in second-tier cities, where they feel more welcome than in tourist centers. Brent expressed his delight with this lifestyle, stating that it has been life-changing and mostly positive. Currently, they are residing in Bristol, UK. Steven also mentioned his daughter's experience living in Aberdeen, UK, where she has been for 23 years. The conversation then shifted to Brent's career as a YA author, with Steven expressing interest in Brent's backstory. Brent's first book, The Geography Club, was published in 2003.

Publishing Challenges and Success Stories
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Steven and Brent discussed their writing careers and the challenges they faced in publishing their works. Brent shared his experience of writing a book about a gay teenager, which was rejected by numerous publishers before being published by Harper Collins. Despite initial doubts about its marketability, the book became a success, selling over a hundred thousand copies. Brent attributed this success to the right timing and the support of his editor, Stephen Fraser. Steven, an English teacher, expressed his interest in quality literature and how Brent's work fit into this category. Brent also discussed the shift in the publishing industry, noting that books with gay characters are now more mainstream and widely accepted.

Brent's Publishing Industry Frustration

Brent shared his experiences with traditional publishing, expressing his bitterness and frustration with the industry's handling of his work. He recounted how he had multiple editors and conflicting directives, which led to confusion and a sense of being undervalued. Brent also discussed his transition to self-publishing, which he found more fulfilling and lucrative. He criticized the industry's lack of trust in authors and its tendency to micromanage, which he believes stifles creativity and daring storytelling. Brent also touched on the impact of social media backlash and the fear of controversy on the publishing industry, particularly regarding LGBTQ+ content.

Market Challenges and Writing Truth

Brent expressed his concerns about the current state of the market, which he believes is not favorable for middle-grade fantasy books. He also shared his experiences as a writer, mentioning his satisfaction with his current career despite past frustrations. Brent acknowledged the need to make room for a new generation and reflected on the fleeting nature of success. Steven agreed with Brent's observations, highlighting the fickleness of marketing and the tendency of publishers to focus on successful authors. He also discussed the importance of honesty and truth in writing, using the example of William Faulkner's portrayal of a black woman in his novel, The Sound and the Fury.

Ebooks, Libraries, and Cultural Differences
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Steven and Brent discussed the impact of ebooks on the accessibility and affordability of books, particularly in poorer countries. They also lamented the loss of tangible books and the potential for rediscovering libraries as a resource for students and researchers. Brent shared his observations of cultural differences in attitudes towards gay issues and the relevance of Geography Club in various countries. Steven suggested that if kids and teachers could learn to use libraries effectively, many more doors would open for them. The conversation ended with Steven considering setting Brent up with other people interested in documenting the history of YA.

Brent's Writing Habits and Perfectionism

Steven and Brent discussed Brent's writing routine and habits. Brent revealed that he has a neurotic tendency to finish whatever he starts, which has been beneficial for his career. He doesn't have a strict daily routine but sets goals for himself each day, which he must complete before going to bed. Brent prefers to be a planner rather than a Pantzer, believing that more work done ahead of time results in less work down the line. He has become more perfectionistic with age, which has slowed down his writing process. Despite this, Brent feels fortunate to have more writing projects than he can complete.

Adapting to Changing Content Landscape

Brent discussed his ongoing conversation with his agent and himself about the relevance of books in today's world. He shared his experiences with screenwriting work and the challenges faced due to the decline of the streaming industry. Brent also mentioned his travel newsletter, which has a significant following, and his media empire that syndicates through Yahoo. He expressed his belief in the importance of being adaptable and open to new opportunities in the ever-changing world of content creation. Steven asked about Brent's approach to social media and the potential for expanding his newsletter's reach through multiple platforms. Brent acknowledged the challenges of the traditional industry's decline but also highlighted the emergence of new opportunities for content creators.

Revamping Blog Strategy for Relevance

Steven and Brent discussed the evolution of their blog and its relevance in the current market. Steven shared that his blog, which focused on young adult literature, was popular from 2014 to 2020 but has since lost its appeal due to the rise of podcasts and reels. They considered revamping the blog, possibly monetizing it or focusing on quick reels to attract readers. Brent suggested the potential of a newsletter as a way to maintain a loyal audience. Both agreed on the importance of adapting to the changing market and the need for disruption in the industry. They also discussed the fleeting nature of success in the arts, with Steven noting that even successful writers can face challenges in maintaining their popularity.

Challenges and Uncertainties in Writing

Brent and Steven discussed the challenges and unpredictability of their careers as writers. Brent expressed his concern about the lack of a cultural phenomenon like Harry Potter or Twilight in recent years, and how this could impact their work. He also shared his experience of adapting to changes in the industry and the need to reinvent oneself. Steven agreed, using the example of Kwame Alexander's success as a writer, and how it took time and perseverance before he became widely known. They both acknowledged the risks and uncertainties of their profession, but also the potential for success and the importance of supporting each other.

Embracing Unpredictability in the Arts

Brent and Steven discussed the challenges and unpredictability of success in the arts. Brent shared his experiences of comparing himself to more successful peers, and the eventual realization that success is not always a reflection of talent. He emphasized the importance of writing for oneself and accepting the unpredictability of success. Steven agreed, highlighting the importance of supporting and promoting lesser-known artists. They also discussed the legacy of their work, with Brent expressing satisfaction in having created something that will continue to exist and touch people. The conversation ended on a positive note, with both acknowledging the impact of their work and the importance of supporting each other.

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Gary's Transition From Academia to Writing
In the meeting, Steven and Gary Schmidt discussed Gary's transition from a full-time academic to a full-time writer. Gary shared his experiences of juggling both roles, prioritizing his time, and finding moments to write in the cracks of his busy schedule. He also mentioned his teaching load at Calvin University, which included upper-level writing, children's literature, and medieval literature courses. The conversation ended with a discussion about the curriculum, with Gary mentioning that his courses typically ended with Chaucer, before moving on to Shakespeare.

Balancing Writing and Academic Careers
Steven and Gary discussed their writing habits and experiences as academics. Steven shared his struggle to balance his interests in English and Education departments, with the latter preferring more social science work. Gary, on the other hand, talked about the tension between academic and creative writing, and how she was evaluated on teaching and publication. Both agreed on the importance of productivity in their writing careers. They also discussed the influence of famous writers like Stephen King, Jack London, Steinbeck, and Hemingway on their writing routines.

Writing Strategies and Children's Literature
Steven and Gary discussed their experiences with writing and the challenges of completing a dissertation. Steven shared his strategy of breaking down the task into manageable bites and the importance of revision. They also discussed the process of writing a page a day, which Steven found helpful in producing a substantial amount of work over time. The conversation then shifted to their involvement in children's literature, with Gary recounting how he started teaching the subject and eventually began writing in the field. He shared his experience of sending his first novel, The Sin Eater, to Virginia Buckley, Catherine Patterson's editor, despite the perceived arrogance of the action.

Mentorship, Editing, and Genre Discussions
Steven and Gary discussed their experiences with mentorship and editing. Gary shared his long-term relationship with Virginia Buckley, who he considered an editor and mentor. He described their interactions as brutally honest but ultimately beneficial for his writing. Steven then asked about the perception of Gary's work as children's literature versus young adult, to which Gary responded that he sees himself more in the middle grade area, but some of his works blur the lines between genres. Steven also shared his interest in reluctant readers and his journey into teaching young adult literature.

Writing Styles and Book Covers
Steven and Gary discussed their writing styles and the challenges of maintaining variety in their work. Gary expressed his fear of falling into a predictable pattern and his desire to write projects that are radically different from each other. He also shared his experiences with book covers, stating that he has no control over them and must trust the process. Steven agreed, noting that publishers often market books in a way that appeals to a specific audience. They both acknowledged the importance of variety in their writing and the occasional dissatisfaction with book covers.

Authorship, Literary Quality, and Themes
Steven expressed his difficulty in reading multiple books by the same author, unless he is captivated by the first one. He praised the debut author and the follow-up book, emphasizing the importance of maintaining literary quality in subsequent works. Steven also discussed the themes in Gary's book, "Okay for Now" which revolved around family dynamics, the Vietnam War, and a child's sensitivity to art and bullying. He appreciated the book's unique narrative style, where the protagonist occasionally resists self-revelation.

Discussing Vietnam War and Literature
Steven and Gary discussed their shared experiences and perspectives on historical events, particularly the Vietnam War and its impact on their lives. They agreed that the war had a profound effect on the country and its people, leading to a sense of loss that still resonates today. Steven suggested that young adult literature has become more open to discussing loss and trauma, using 9/11 as an example. They also discussed a collaborative book project with Ron Kirchy, which involves 30 short stories arranged according to the tide. Steven offered to curate a list of recommended books about 9/11 for Gary.

Creative Projects and Shared Memories
In the meeting, Steven and Gary discussed their creative projects. Gary shared about his upcoming books, including a story about a young Athenian who escapes Hades and a plot involving resentment and vulnerability among 10 kids from La and Portland, Maine. They also reminisced about their time teaching at Hamlin University and their friendship with Gene Yang. Steven expressed admiration for Gene's work, particularly "American Born Chinese." Gary also mentioned his current project of transcribing his wife's grandfather's diaries from rural Maine in 1905, which he hopes to turn into a story about community and hard-scrabble farming.

Gary's Writing Process and NCTE Plans
Gary and Steven discussed Gary's writing process, particularly his method of revising as he goes along. Gary explained that he doesn't use outlines or storyboards, instead, he writes a certain number of pages each day and revises them before moving on to the next section. He also mentioned that he takes notes along the way for any changes he needs to make later. Steven found this method fascinating and appreciated the efficiency of Gary's process. They also discussed their upcoming plans, with Steven mentioning that he will be attending NCTE and Gary confirming his presence there as well. They agreed to keep in touch and possibly meet up during the event.

Sharon's Book Adaptation and Teaching
Steven and Sharon discussed Sharon's upcoming book adaptation by Disney, set to release on November 20th. They reminisced about Sharon's teaching career, which spanned over 25 years, and her passion for writing, which began with a short story contest win. Sharon shared her desire to write about the real world her students lived in, as opposed to the classics they were taught. They also discussed the limited choices of books available in the past, which often focused on white characters from England, and the importance of libraries in expanding their knowledge of diverse cultures.

Sharon's Writing Journey and Impact
Steven and Sharon discussed their writing experiences and the impact of their books. Sharon shared her journey from writing her first book, "Tears of a Tiger," to her more recent works, including "Copper Sun" and "Romeyette and Julio." She explained how her personal experiences, such as her trip to Africa, influenced her writing. Steven expressed his appreciation for Sharon's books, particularly "Copper Sun," and highlighted their importance in providing different perspectives on historical events. They also discussed the educational value of Sharon's modern adaptations of Shakespeare's works, like "Romeyette and Julio," which can make the original texts more accessible and enjoyable for contemporary readers.

Origins of Sharon's Books Discussed
Steven and Sharon discussed the origins of Sharon's books, particularly focusing on the inspiration behind "Stella by Starlight". Sharon shared that the book was inspired by her childhood summers spent in North Carolina with her grandmother, where she absorbed stories from the community. These stories were often told by older generations, and they dealt with difficult times faced by black people, including blatant racism and mistreatment. Sharon emphasized the importance of storytelling and the strength it brought to the community. Steven acknowledged the power of these stories and the challenges faced by the characters, highlighting the significance of understanding and addressing these issues.

Representation in Literature and Writing
Steven and Sharon discussed the importance of representation in literature, particularly for African American authors and characters. They reminisced about their experiences with books featuring diverse characters and how these books were scarce in the past. Sharon shared her experience of having her book, "Tears of a Tiger," published after receiving 24 rejections, highlighting the challenges faced by writers of color. They also discussed the impact of their work on the literary world and how it has paved the way for future generations of writers. Steven expressed his admiration for their contributions and the quality of their stories.

Sharon's Writing Routine and Process
Sharon shared her writing routine, which involved checking into a hotel on weekends to focus on her writing without distractions. She would stay from Friday after school until Sunday afternoon, and her husband was supportive of her writing weekends. Sharon's writing process involved extensive research to ensure accuracy, as she believed every detail mattered. She didn't count how many weekends it took her to complete a young adult novel, but estimated it to be around six months. Steven found her writing process fascinating and asked about her approach to drafting and revising her work. Sharon responded that her character and plot development often came together simultaneously.

The Importance of Research in Writing
Sharon and Steven discussed the importance of extensive research in writing, particularly when it comes to historical or cultural accuracy. Sharon shared her experience of writing a book about ancient Egypt, emphasizing the need for meticulous research to avoid inaccuracies. She also highlighted the importance of engaging the senses in writing, using examples such as describing the feeling of sand on bare feet or the smell of sweat after a game. Steven agreed, noting that the writing process is not magical and requires a lot of hard work, including multiple drafts and revisions. They both stressed the importance of understanding the nuances of details to create a believable and accurate story.

National Book Award Judges' Experiences
In the meeting, Steven and Sharon discussed their experiences as judges for the National Book Award for Young People's Literature. Sharon shared her enjoyment of reading through numerous books, with quality rising to the top. She also mentioned her favorite book, "The Library Book" by Susan Orlean, which she highly recommends to anyone who loves books. Steven expressed his appreciation for the recommendation and added it to his reading list.

​Author Discusses Book and Inspiration
Steven shared his excitement about his granddaughter's teacher, Grace Daniels, reading the book "Out of My Mind" to her class. He also shared some questions from the 4th-grade students about the book. Sharon, the author of the book, discussed her inspiration for writing the book and her satisfaction with the movie adaptation. She also mentioned her recent publication, "Bella Ballerina," and explained her writing process, emphasizing the importance of evoking emotions in the reader. Sharon confirmed that there are three "Out of My Mind" books in total.

Sharon's Writing Process and Projects
Sharon and Steven discussed Sharon's writing process and her experiences as an author. Sharon shared her thoughts on her books, including "Out of My Mind" and "Tears of a Tiger", and how she relates to her characters. She also mentioned her upcoming projects, including a book set in ancient Egypt, which she plans to research extensively. Steven expressed his admiration for Sharon's work and encouraged her to continue writing. The conversation ended with Sharon thanking Steven for the opportunity to discuss her writing.

First Meeting, Sports, and Writing Journey
Steven and Bill Konigsberg reminisced about their first meeting at an event -- an ALAN Workshop, where Bill was shy but they had a pleasant conversation. Bill shared his recent struggles with spine surgery and his recovery process. They discussed their shared interest in sports, particularly baseball, with Bill sharing his experiences as a sports kid and his passion for statistics. Bill also transitioned from sports writing to fiction writing, pursuing an MFA in fiction and writing his first published novel during the program. Steven appreciated Bill's courage in writing a novel that wasn't just a sports book, but a story that resonated with characters.

Discussing Bill's Contributions to Young Adult Literature
Steven and Bill Konigsberg discussed Bill's contributions to young adult literature and his approach to honesty and authenticity in his work. Steven praised Bill's ability to address difficult issues directly and his courage in doing so. They also discussed the award in Bill's name through the Allen Association and others. Steven highlighted the importance of honesty and straightforwardness in Bill's books, particularly in "The Music of What Happens," which portrays characters trying to overcome past experiences while connecting with each other.

Writing Processes and Preferences Discussion
Bill Konigsberg discussed his writing process and preferences. He revealed that he prefers to write in the morning and enjoys writing quickly when he's in the zone. He also mentioned that he often engages in 'outside writing', which involves writing from the character's point of view to help with his creative process. Bill also shared that he tends to be more productive when he's not in a traditional writing environment, such as when he's gardening. Steven, on the other hand, shared his own experience of struggling to write academically while teaching full-time.

Book Writing Process and Feedback
Steven and Bill Konigsberg discussed the process of writing a book. Bill shared that every book is a painful process and that the average time between the original idea and completion is about a year and a half. He also mentioned that he tends to keep his work private until it's ready for feedback, and that he usually goes through a book multiple times before sharing it with others. Steven found this insight helpful and suggested that it could be a useful guideline for his students.

Discussing Writing, Challenges, and Societal Issues
Bill and Steven discussed the development of Bill's writing, with Bill revealing that his characters often come first, followed by the situation and problem. They also discussed the challenges of writing, with Bill mentioning that each book presents a new degree of difficulty. The conversation then shifted to the topic of societal issues, with Bill and Steven expressing concern about the current political climate and the need for awareness and action. They both acknowledged the complexity of the issue, with Bill emphasizing the importance of self-reflection and Steven highlighting the need to stand up for principles.

Discussing Neighbor's Views and Book Recommendations
Steven and Bill discussed their experiences with a neighbor who initially had anti-Muslim sentiments but later changed his views after getting to know them. Steven recommended a novel, "Pedro and Daniel," by Federico Erebia, which he found to be a good debut novel. The conversation ended with Bill being asked about the difficulty of imagining parents and relatives embracing the issue of their children's sexuality.

Discussing Complex Characters and Mental Health
Bill Konigsberg discussed the challenges of writing characters with complex emotions and backgrounds, emphasizing the importance of understanding their motivations and experiences. He shared his experience with his book, "The Bridge," which dealt with depression and suicide, and how it was initially met with mixed reactions. Steven acknowledged the book's structural strength and its exploration of mental health issues. Bill also mentioned the difficulty of writing "The Bridge" due to its complex nature and the need to delve into the characters' stories. The conversation ended with Steven expressing his own struggles with mental health and the importance of staying engaged with other activities for his well-being.

​Byron's Story and the Toe Tag Monologues
Steven shared a story about a retired police officer, Byron, who had saved a man from committing suicide on a freeway overpass. Byron's acting troupe, the Toe Tag Monologues, is working on a book that associates monologues with young adult novels about various issues. Steven and Byron are seeking a publisher to help them take the book to schools. The story highlights the importance of understanding and supporting others in their struggles, as exemplified by Byron's actions. Steven also mentioned that the Highway Patrol in Nevada is considering funding for Byron's tour of schools in the state.

Discussing Empathy, Writing Processes, and Connections
Steven and Bill Konigsberg discussed the importance of reaching out to schools and helping students. Steven mentioned that he needed to finalize the editing of a book with Shelly and Gretchen. Bill Konigsberg  shared his experience of spending several months in 2015 talking to young people about suicide and depression. They both agreed on the significance of empathy and understanding in helping others. Steven and Bill Konigsberg discussed their writing processes, with Bill revealing his secret revision processes and Steven sharing a similar technique used by Kimberly Willis Holt. They both agreed that their writing processes involve creativity, flexibility, and a willingness to try new things. Bill shared his struggles with memory loss and the importance of keeping drafts of his work. Steven and Bill discussed their shared experiences and connections, particularly in relation to their time at NCTE and ALAN. They expressed their desire to reconnect in the future, possibly through a barbecue at Jim's house.

Paul's Journey to Alaska and Teaching Career
Steven and Paul reminisced about their past encounters and shared experiences. Paul recounted his journey to Alaska, starting with a summer job in a salmon cannery and later working on a wildlife refuge. He shared his interest in spending time in wild places and his decision to stay in Alaska to pursue a teaching career. Steven inquired about Paul's educational background, to which Paul explained that he obtained his teaching credential by taking classes at the University of Fairbanks. They both expressed their appreciation for the time spent together and the memories they've shared.

​Paul's Journey From Outdoor Educator to Teacher
Paul shared his journey from being an outdoor educator to becoming a teacher at an alternative school for at-risk teens. He discovered his passion for teaching and writing through his students, who inspired him to write stories. Paul's experience as a teacher aide and later as a lead teacher at the alternative school led him to develop a love for young adult fiction and eventually write his own story, "Surviving Bear Island." Steven, who worked in high schools for 25 years, acknowledged the challenges and benefits of teaching in such schools.

Teaching Experiences and Writing Journey
Steven and Paul discussed their experiences with teaching and writing. Steven shared a story about a teacher who used a unique approach to teaching, which involved students planning menus and buying food for the class. This approach inspired Steven to use journal assignments in his own teaching. Paul then shared his journey of writing and publishing his first book, "Surviving Bear Island". He mentioned that he started writing it in 2002 and it took him a couple of years to complete the draft. He also shared his inspiration for writing another story, "Siblings", which was inspired by his oldest brother who passed away from AIDS. Paul mentioned that he took a 15-page excerpt of "Siblings" to a writing conference in Utah.

Paul's Writing Journey and Securing a Publisher
Paul shared his journey as a writer, starting with his first book, "Book Siblings," which garnered attention but no representation offers. He then wrote "The Search for Normal," which received five representation offers but didn't secure a publisher. After parting ways with his agent, he wrote "Surviving Bear Island," which eventually found a publisher after eight months of revisions with his new agent, Amy Tipton. Paul's journey highlighted the challenges of finding representation and securing a publisher for a manuscript. Steven acknowledged the importance of continuing to write in the genre, even as other authors retire.

Discussing Paul's Writing Journey and Climate Change
Steven and Paul discussed Paul's writing journey, focusing on his experiences with the Wildlands and Bear Island. Paul shared that he was inspired by the changing climate and the future of the world, which led to the creation of the Wildlands. He also mentioned that his writing process took about 10 months to get into shape for an agent to represent it. Paul's time in Alaska has seen significant changes in the growing season, which he attributes to climate change. He also mentioned that he was working on a follow-up book to Bear Island while under a two-book deal with his publisher.

Discussing Writing Routine and Career Impact
Paul and Steven discussed Paul's writing routine and its impact on his career. Paul shared that he would write for an hour every morning before work, which helped him fulfill his contract obligation with Macmillan. He also mentioned that he wrote a significant portion of his book while helping his father with his health care. Steven suggested that an hour of writing daily can lead to more productivity and opportunities. They also discussed the success of Paul's books in Alaska, particularly in high schools and middle schools, and the funding that allowed Paul to travel to different communities to give book talks. Steven proposed the idea of Paul giving a talk to alternative schools about survival and kayaking.

Sea Kayaking and Bicycle Touring Experiences
Paul shared his experiences of sea kayaking in Prince William Sound, highlighting the importance of making good decisions and seeking protection when faced with challenging situations. He described his trips, which ranged from solo 3-week trips to longer trips with his wife, involving long days of paddling and camping. Steven expressed admiration for Paul's adventures and shared his own experiences of bicycle touring in Utah, Montana, and Mexico. Both agreed on the importance of outdoor activities and expressed concern about the potential loss of these experiences for future generations.

Paul's Teaching Transition and ELL Experience
Steven and Paul discussed Paul's transition from teaching at an alternative school to teaching English Language Learners (ELL) at a high school. Paul shared his experience of teaching ELL students, highlighting their politeness and discipline. He then transitioned to teaching special education, starting with kindergarten to third grade, and later working with a homeschool program. Paul mentioned that this change allowed him to have more time for writing, as he was able to complete Book 3 of his manuscript.

Career Paths, Retirement Plans, and Homeschooling
Steven and Paul discussed their career paths and retirement plans. Paul, who has worked in the education system for 15 years, is now working part-time with Raven Homeschool and is considering his options for the future. He mentioned that he is taking a year-by-year approach to his career, focusing on his current contract and then deciding on his next steps. Steven suggested that Paul could conduct a survey on the three adventure things he mentioned, and write a post about them. They also discussed the homeschooling system in Alaska, with Paul mentioning that he is keeping track of 40 kids and that the level of parent involvement varies. Steven noted that the reasons for homeschooling in Alaska are diverse, including homesteading and running away from established society.

Discussing Writing Processes and Experiences
Steven and Paul discussed their writing processes and experiences. Paul shared that he had completed his trilogy and was now working on a chapter book aimed at reluctant and struggling readers. He mentioned that his writing process varies, with some days dedicated to writing and others to exercise. Paul also discussed his revision process, which involves fitting his work into a 3-act structure and focusing on character development. Steven expressed his admiration for Paul's attention to the needs of struggling readers and his thoughts on the changing landscape of reading, particularly in the digital age.

Paul's Writing Process and Editor Experiences
Paul discussed his writing process, which involves character development and multiple drafts before handing it over to his wife, an English professor and MFA holder, for feedback. He also shared his experiences with editors, highlighting the differences between his two editors, Eileen Robinson and John Morgan. Paul expressed his desire to work with Eileen again on his third book and his hope to return to the stage for a future event. Steven suggested that Paul should push for more involvement in the publishing process, particularly with the President of the publishing house, to help promote his work. Steven also offered to find someone interested in Paul's work to write a post about it.

Inspiring Young Readers With "The Wildlands
Paul shared a heartfelt letter he received from a kid who had struggled with ADHD and found solace in Paul's book, "The Wildlands". The letter detailed the child's journey from struggling with reading and academics to becoming an avid reader and aspiring English teacher. Paul expressed how this letter resonated with him, emphasizing the importance of his work in inspiring young readers. Steven acknowledged the impact of Paul's work and expressed his excitement for Paul's future endeavors.

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Padma's Oceanography Career and Transition
In this conversation, Steven and Padma reminisce about their past and Padma's career journey. Padma, a former oceanographer, shares her experiences of being a young Indian woman in a male-dominated field and her journey from India to England to the United States. She also mentions her transition from a career in oceanography to becoming an author. Steven expresses his admiration for Padma's career and her groundbreaking work in oceanography.

Padma's Journey and Impact in Oceanography
Padma shared her early love for writing and her experience as an oceanographer, which she believes has influenced her current work. She also discussed her journey from being shy about her accomplishments to embracing them and welcoming more women and people of color in the field. Steven acknowledged Padma's significant research and career development, emphasizing the importance of her experiences in shaping her current work. Padma also mentioned her invitation to be a homecoming speaker at William and Mary, where she was asked to share her paper, which she found to be a meaningful honor.

Sharing Childhood Memories and Cultural Items
Padma shared her childhood memories and experiences with her mother, who had saved various items from India. She mentioned that her mother had sent her cases of notebooks, including a diary where she had written down stories and poems Padma had said when she was born. Padma also revealed that she had been learning Tamil, her mother tongue, and English simultaneously. She mentioned that William and Mary's library had requested her collection of items, which would be stored in a temperature-controlled room. Steven suggested that Padma should digitize her collection and possibly donate it to a library.

Padma's Writing Journey and Academic Transition
Steven and Padma discussed Padma's transition from an academic career to writing. Padma shared her experiences of writing for kids' magazines in India and later in the US, including her work with Highlights magazine. She also mentioned her debut novel, "Climbing the Stairs," and her second novel, "Islands End." The conversation touched on Padma's realization of the challenges faced by women in her field and her interest in black history, indigenous history, and the contributions of women to the sciences. Padma expressed her desire to develop her writing craft and become a writer.

Discussing Padma's Novel and Career Choices
Steven and Padma discussed Padma's debut novel, "Climbing the Stairs," and its impact on Steven's teaching and research. Steven praised Padma's work, noting its significance in teaching him about India's role in World War 2 and the period's social dynamics. Padma shared her decision to step back from her academic career to focus on writing and motherhood, citing Donna Jo Napoli as an inspiration for her choices. Both agreed on the importance of finding one's own path and thriving within their own capabilities.

Discussing Book Impact and Publishing Challenges
Padma expressed her delight at the continued impact of her book, "Climbing the Stairs," which has inspired readers to pursue higher education. She shared a touching story of a woman in Peru who credited the book for her decision to go to college. Padma also discussed the challenges of the publishing world, acknowledging that while her work has received recognition, it hasn't always translated into widespread readership. Steven, the interviewer, agreed with Padma's observations and asked about her strategies for reaching a broader audience in the current publishing landscape.

Addressing Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion Challenges
Steven and Padma discussed the challenges they face in promoting diversity, equity, and inclusion, particularly in the context of book challenges and censorship. Padma shared her experience of having her work challenged in Pinellas County, Florida, and how she had to remove certain slides from her presentation. They both expressed concern about the increasing sensitivity and anger towards differences in the world. Padma emphasized the importance of showcasing diverse backgrounds, religions, and experiences in literature. Steven acknowledged Padma's hard work and expressed his support for her work. They both looked forward to discussing these issues further in Boston.

Authors' Challenges in Publishing and School Visits
Steven and Padma discussed the challenges faced by authors, particularly in the context of book publishing and school visits. Padma shared her experiences of facing book banning and a significant drop in her school visits, which she attributed to the current climate. She expressed gratitude towards Penguin for continuing to publish her work and acknowledged the emotional and financial hardships she faced. Padma also mentioned feeling neglected by younger South Asian authors, despite her efforts to promote and support them. Steven agreed with Padma's observations and acknowledged the progress made in promoting diverse voices in the publishing industry.

Balancing Writing and Family Responsibilities
Steven and Padma discussed Padma's writing schedule and her role as a mother. Padma explained that she tries to write whenever her daughter is away, aiming to complete her work during this time. She also mentioned her desire to be available for her daughter when she returns home. Padma acknowledged the challenges of balancing her writing career with her family responsibilities, particularly as her daughter is growing older. She expressed her intention to make the most of the time she has for writing, even if it is limited.

Character Development and Plot Progression Discussion
Padma and Steven discussed Padma's writing process, focusing on her character development and plot progression. Padma shared that her characters often emerge fully formed, and she writes scenes that stand out to her, which then guide the plot. She also revealed that her drafts are often jumbled and need to be reordered, and she relies on her editor to help refine her work. Despite some challenges, Padma expressed gratitude for her editor's support and the positive reviews her books have received.

Discussing Realistic Portrayals of Mothers in Literature
Steven and Padma discussed their writing styles and the importance of portraying strong, competent adults in literature, particularly mothers with mental health issues. Padma shared her personal experiences with depression and her desire to write a book that showcases a good mother with mental health issues. She emphasized the need for more realistic portrayals of adults in literature, especially mothers, and expressed her satisfaction with the portrayal of the mother in her book, Safe Harbor. Steven agreed that there has been a shift in literature towards more realistic and well-constructed adult characters.

Environmental Issues, Representation, and Picture Book
Padma discussed her experiences as a brown, immigrant woman and her passion for environmental issues. She expressed her desire to see more representation of brown people in environmental issues and her discomfort with the artificial separation between humans and nature. Padma also shared her excitement about her upcoming picture book, "Far Away Family," set to be released in 2026. Steven agreed with Padma's views and suggested that her book could be marketed to an upper elementary audience. He also expressed interest in reviewing the book and possibly involving his granddaughters in the process.

Sunrise Nights: A New Book Co-Authored by Brittany and Jeff
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Steven introduced Brittany and Jeff, who are co-authors of a new book, Sunrise Nights. Jeff explained the story of the book, which is about two artists, Jude and Florence, who meet at a weekly arts camp in Harbor City, Michigan. They decide to explore the town together on a "Sunrise Night," a tradition where campers stay up all night and watch the sunrise together. The two artists make a pact to meet again at the next Sunrise Night and then again for their final one. Brittany was set to share how they met.

​Collaborating on 'Sunrise Nights' Novel

Steven, Brittany, and Jeff discussed their collaboration on the novel "Sunrise Nights," which was born out of their shared love for poetry and writing dialogue. Brittany and Jeff, who are both poetry teachers and avid readers of the genre, decided to combine their talents and write a novel in verse together. They also shared their experiences of exploring bookstores and discovering new poetry volumes, which they highly recommend as a tour guide. Steven expressed interest in this unique bookstore experience and suggested that he and Brittany could do it together in the future.

Brittany's Rare Eye Conditions and Impact

Steven and Brittany discussed the unique conditions that two characters in their books were facing. Brittany shared her personal experience with a rare combination of eye conditions that made spatial movement difficult, causing her to have poor hand-eye coordination and balance. She shared how her condition, which can worsen due to stress and circumstances outside her control, has affected her ambitions and frustrations. Steven acknowledged the rarity of her condition and its impact on her life.

Character Development and Personal Experiences
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Brittany discussed her interest in creating a character like her book's protagonist, Florence, who is a modern dancer struggling with the fear of losing her talent. Steven praised the book's strong introduction and well-developed characters, urging readers to check it out. Jeff agreed, noting that while his characters aren't direct depictions of himself, he infuses them with personal experiences and emotions, such as his own anxiety and OCD. He specifically mentioned how photography, as an art form, could be a relief for someone like Jude, a character in the book.

Retirement, Book Tour, and Future Plans

Steven shared his struggles with retirement and maintaining focus without the structure of his previous career. Jeff then recounted the recent book tour he and Bree had undertaken, which included stops at King's English, Parnassus, and the Newcastle, Indiana library. They also discussed plans for future events, including one at the Ya Midwest Book Festival in Naperville, Illinois. Steven suggested they consider participating in the Baton Rouge Library system's festival, and Jeff was open to exploring this possibility.

Brittany's Collaborative Writing Process

Steven asked Brittany about her writing process for the book she co-authored with Jeff. Brittany explained that they wrote the book collaboratively, with each author contributing five to six pages at a time. Brittany would write poems and dialogue, then send her work to Jeff who would make revisions and additions. Brittany praised Jeff's writing instincts and highlighted the surprise and delight she experienced when the manuscript would return to her, often with unexpected but believable developments. She compared the process to having elves work on the novel while she slept.

Co-Authoring Books and Auction Journey
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Brittany, Jeff, and Steven discussed the benefits of co-authoring books. Jeff highlighted the organic and natural feel of a conversation between two people when co-authoring, which he found beneficial compared to solo writing. Brittany agreed, describing the process as a gift and requiring minimal post-writing work. The group also discussed the manuscript's journey to auction in June 2022, but the outcome of the auction was not specified.

Sunrise Nights Auction and Scotland Connections
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Jeff and Brittany discussed the energetic and enthusiastic five-way auction they participated in for their book, Sunrise Nights. Brittany shared the romantic backstory of how she met her husband fifteen pages into writing the book and got married in Scotland in June 2021. On the day of her wedding, she received the news that Sunrise Nights had been sold in a two-book deal to Quilt Tree, an imprint they were thrilled with. The team also shared personal connections to Scotland, with Brittany's recent marriage and Steven's grandchildren there.

Upcoming Book Projects and Themes

Steven, Brittany, and Jeff discussed their upcoming book projects. Brittany revealed that the second book in a two-book deal would feature new characters and was about halfway through the draft. Jeff shared that his next book, an adult debut, would explore themes not suitable for young adult fiction. Brittany also announced she was working on a mystery novel for adults, inspired by her teaching experience at her old boarding school. The group expressed their support for each other's projects and their enthusiasm for their continued success.